Tuesday, February 24, 2009

Covenant Theology vs Dispensationalism: Israel and the Church

Review: The Church as a Replacement of Israel: An Analysis of Supersessionism: The Dissertation of Michael J. Vlach

Seem my post on Eschatology: Covenant Theology vs Dispensationalism to become oriented to the issues described in this article.

Michael J. Vlach, Ph.D. is an Assistant Professor of Theology at the Master's Seminary and has a website I frequent that can be found at www.theologicalstudies.org.

I was debating whether to purchase, “Continuity and Discontinuity” a festschrift for S. Lewis Johnson or Prof. Vlach’s Ph.D. dissertation. After much debate, I decided, “hey, why not get both?” I did and can say I do not regret the decision. However, if you do not have the time for both, I say get Vlach’s dissertation. It is shorter, but you get an excellent feel for the topic. One of the great things about this book is how eloquently and forcefully he argues for the other side. He almost made me covenant theologian! Okay, but seriously, he does not pull any punches and gives a very compelling and thorough presentation of the covenantal side. Point being, BUY HIS DISSERTATION by clicking here .

I will try to briefly summarize my favorite points in his dissertation on this blog.
Dr. Vlach defines supersessionism (S) as "the view that the church is the new or true Israel that has permanently replaced or superseded national Israel as the people of God." (p. xv) This has been the normative perspective since very early on in the church and has recently been challenged and perhaps overtaken by nonsupersessionism. Nonsupersession (NS) is "the view that national Israel still has vital role and purpose in God's program." (p. 130) Whether one is S or NS has tremendous implications on how you read the Bible and one's own theology. The answer to this question will determine whether one is a follower of covenantal or dispensational theology.

Historical Perspective

Dr. Vlach sites three main factors for the acceptance of the supersessionism in Christianity: (pp. 31-32)

1) The increasing Gentile composition of the church.

2) The church's perception of destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and the failed Jewish revolt of Bar-Kokhba in A.D. 132 - 135 as God's judgment of the Jews.

3) A hermeneutical approach that allowed the church to appropriate Israel's promises to itself.
So, what factors have brought NS back into the spotlight?

1) The church's reevaluation of supersessionsim after the Holocaust and the establishment of the modern state of Israel. (pp. 70-71)

2) The rise of dispensational theology

The author makes an excellent point when he says that if S try to say "the weight of history" is on their side, than NS can say that recent history has shown that the great shift away from S should point into the favor of NS. (pp. 231-232)

Biblical Perspective

In presenting the case for either side, Dr. Vlach breaks his case into two categories: hermeneutical and theological (pp. vii - xi)

I. Hermeneutical Case for S

1) NT priority over the OT

S believes that the NT writers "sometimes introduced change, alteration, or expansion to the original meaning of OT texts, including those that speak of national Israel's restoration... As a result of this priority of the New Testament, Old Testament texts that speak of Israel's restoration should not be understood literally. They should be read in the light of the New Testament." (pp. 87-88)

2) Typological Interpretation

S supports the use of typological interpretation which Vlach defines as "a hermeneutical approach that attempts to understand the connection between the Old and New Testaments based on the type/antitype relationships found in the two testaments." (p. 89) Critical to this idea is that the historical grammatical approach is not enough to understand what God is saying. (p. 91)

3) Nonliteral Fulfillments of OT Passages

S generally believes that the application of certain "Old Testament prophetic texts regarding Israel's restoration" or fulfilled in "nonliteral ways in the New Testament church." (p. 96) Verses commonly used to support this are.

a) Acts 2:16-21

16but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel:
17'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says,
'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND;
AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY,
AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS,
AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS;
18EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN,
I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT
And they shall prophesy.
19'AND I WILL GRANT WONDERS IN THE SKY ABOVE
AND SIGNS ON THE EARTH BELOW,
BLOOD, AND FIRE, AND VAPOR OF SMOKE.
20'THE SUN WILL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS
AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD,
BEFORE THE GREAT AND GLORIOUS DAY OF THE LORD SHALL COME.
21'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.'

Here Dr. Vlach quotes Joseph A. Fitzmeyer who says of Peter's use of Joel, "Thus God's people will take a new shape under the guidance of the Spirit,; Israel itself will be reconstituted." (p.97)

b) Acts 15:15-18

15"With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
16'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return,
AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN,
AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS,
AND I WILL RESTORE IT,
17SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD,
AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'
18SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.

Scholar's, like Anthony Hoekema and F.F. Bruce, support the idea that James, by quoting Amos 9:11-12 at the Jerusalem council, identifies the church as Israel. (p. 98)

c) Romans 9:24-26

24even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.
25As He says also in Hosea,
"I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, 'MY PEOPLE,'
AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, 'BELOVED.'"
26"AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,'
THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."

Quoting G.E. Ladd "Paul deliberately takes these two prophecies about the future salvation of Israel and applies them to the church. The church consisting of Jews and Gentiles has become the people of God. The prophecies of Hosea are fulfilled in the Christian church." (p. 99)

II. Theological Case for S

1. Permanent Rejection of Israel

S sees the NT, describing a permanent rejection of the Jewish people and uses several verses to support this notion.

a) Matthew 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it."

b) Romans 11:26 "and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB"

S generally believe that the "all Israel" here are the people of faith, "the true Israel" that is now the church.

2. New Testament Silence

The NT's "lack of an explicit reference to a restoration of national Israel in the New Testament is additional proof that Israel has been superseded by the church." (p. 108)

3. Application of Israelite Imagery to the Church

S note the use of common OT descriptions of Israel are no being applied to the church in these verses:

a) Galatians 6:16 And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

b) Romans 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;

c) Romans 2:28For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

d) 1 Peter 2:9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.

e)Galatians 3:7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham... 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.

4. Equality Between Jews and Gentiles

a) Ephesians 2:11-22

11Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands--12remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. 17AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, 20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Many S see this as the "incorporation of believing Gentiles into Israel" (pp. 122-123) and that it "argues against any future role for national Israel in the plan of God."

b) Romans 11:17-24

17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." 20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith Do not be conceited, but fear; 21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branch

These verses are used to show that "Jews and Gentiles are said to belong to the same place of blessing which includes the promises and covenants associated with Abraham and the Jewish patriarchs." (p. 124)

5. Church's Relationship to the New Covenant

a) Heb 8:8-13

8For finding fault with them, He says,
"BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD,
WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT
WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;
9NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS
ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND
TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT;
FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT,
AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
10"FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL
AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD:
I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS,
AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS.
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD,
AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
11"AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN,
AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,'
FOR ALL WILL KNOW ME,
FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
12"FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES,
AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE."
13When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Since the original application of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31 was to Israel, yet in Hebrews 8 it find its fulfillment with the church, many S believe see this as further evidence that the church is the new Israel. (pp. 125-126)

III. Hermeneutical Case for NS

1. Belief that OT texts need to be interpreted in their own right and not reinterpreted by the NT

NS "assert that Old Testament texts, as understood within their historical grammatical contexts, must be the starting point for understanding God's plans for national Israel." (p. 134)

2. Progressive revelation does not cancel unconditional promises to Israel
Dr. Vlach says that according to John Feinberg as saying "if an Old Testament promise is made unconditionally with a specific group such as Israel, then that promise must be fulfilled with that group." (p. 137) Then quoting Paul Feinberg "How can the integrity of the OT text be maintained?" and "How can God be truthful and change the meaning of His promises?"

3. National Israel does not function as a type that is transcended by the Church
Though their may be some typological connection "unconditional promises, and the people with whom the promises were made are not types." (p. 140).

4. OT promises can have a double fulfillment or application with both Israel and the Church

The original promises made to Israel can find extensions into the church and are not abrogated as a result. Rather, the original promises to Israel still stand.

IV. Theological Case for NS

1. New Testament Keeps Israel and the Church Distinct

Dr. Vlach points out that the NT writers, even after the establishment of the church, uses the term "Israel" as a separate entity and a name that "is related to the 'national covenant people of the OT." (p. 145)

2. New Testament Affirms a Future for National Israel

a) Matthew 19:28 (Luke 22:30)

28And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

Jesus here explains that the 12 apostles will one day rule over a national Israel.

b) Matthew 23:37-39 (Luke 13:34-35)

37"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38"Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!
39"For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!'"

The proclamation "Blessed .. name of the LORD" is from Psalm 118:26. This indicates the "joyful welcome of Jesus by the Jews with the parousia [second coming] and the restoration of Israel."

c) Luke 21:24

24and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

It seems here that Jesus is affirming that God has a set time period for the gentiles that is limited in duration. After this God will start His restoration program for Israel. Paul echoes this idea in Romans 11:25 "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;"

d) Acts 1:6-7

6So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, "Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?"
7He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;

Many people have pointed out that after 40 days of instruction from our Lord Jesus Christ, the disciples were still wondering about the restoration of Israel! Dr. Vlach notes that NS "also believe that the lack of correction from Jesus in Acts 1:7 is validation that the disciples were correct in their beliefs about Israel's restoration." (p. 161)

e) Romans 11

This chapter is broken down into 3 main points.

i) Explicit affirmation "that national Israel has not been cast aside from the plan of God" (p. 162)

Romans 11:1-2a

1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be!... 2God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew

ii) "Explicit declaration that Israel will experience a national restoration at some point in the future" (p. 163)

Romans 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
"THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27"THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."


iii) NS believes that "Rom 11:27-28 ties Israel's salvation and restoration to the promises of the new covenant in the Old Testament" (p. 163)

Romans 11:27-28

27"THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
28From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;

3. Fulfillment of New Covenant With Church and Israel
a. B/c the Church participates in the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant, this does not "abrogate the remaining covenant promises of a national nature, which will find their fulfillment for [in] Israel." (p. 169)
b. An "already/not yet" aspect of the New Covenant. (p. 169) Remember, the messianic age ushers in the New Covenant, and the church is privy to the spiritual aspects of it (ie creation of a new heart, indwelling of the Spirit, forgiveness, etc.).
c. The Church has not received all the physical promises given to Israel only the spiritual. This is further evidence that the Church is not the complete fulfillment of the New Covenant.

Final Analysis


V. Critique of S
Hermeneutics
1. Precedence of the NT over the OT

a. Casts doubt on the integrity of the OT texts and "one may rightly wonder in what sense the Old Testament revelations were actually revelations to the original readers of the promise.(p. 178)

b. "Does not adequately account for Old Testament texts that explicitly promise the perpetuity of Israel as a nation." (p. 179)

2. National Israel as a type for the Church
b. Though there is significant connection between the two, there is insufficient evidence to show that the Church has transcended Israel. Especially, with all the verses that affirm a national restoration.

3. Nonliteral fulfillment of OT texts

a. As we have seen, certain NT texts affirm the OT expectations for Israel.

Theological

1. National Israel's Permanent Rejection

a. Matthew 21:43 speaks taking away the Kingdom from the ruling class and giving to the people. In v. 46 the religious leaders believe Jesus in talking about them and "Saldarini points out that theologians who interpret 'nation' as teh church 'are reading in second-century Christian theology' " b/c exegetical it is unfeasible that the "nation" whom Jesus talks about is the Church. (p. 184)

b. For arguments against Romans 11:26, see Romans 11 section above.

2. NT Silence

a. First, it is important to note that there are statements that imply a future restoration for Israel.

b. Secondly, as S. Lewis Johnson says, "There is no need to repeat what is copiously spread over the pages of the Scriptures" (p. 189) therefore matters "discussed in the Old Testament should not be taken to mean ... [they have] been dropped or transformed. (p. 189)

3. Application of "Israel" language.

This in no way proofs S or excludes NS. The best argument put forth comes from Galatians 6:16 with Pual's statemet "Israel of God." This does not have to mean the church and there are better explanations such as "To show that his [Paul's] harsh attitude to the Judaizers did not extend to the true Jewish believers, he reaches out to these Jewish believers and calls them the 'Israel of God.' " (p. 193)

VI. Critique of NS

Hermeneutics

1. Belief that OT texts need to be interpreted in their own right and not reinterpreted by the NT

a. Though there may be additional applications or fulfillments and even recognizing that the NT does not use the OT in ways that are entirely consistent with the OT author's intent, "Yet to maintain the integrity of the Old Testament texts and their revelatory value, the historical-grammatical contexts of these passages must be given serious consideration..." (p. 211)

2. Progressive revelation does not cancel unconditional promises to Israel

a. As Paul states in Romans 11:29 "for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." Dr. Vlach quotes House who says "Those who believe that the church has somehow taken over the blessings of Israel must explain the revoking of these apparently irrevocable callings of God on His people." (p. 213)

b. We must keep in mind that these OT promises can have a double fulfillment: presently in the church and in the future with Israel.

Theological

1. Distinction between Israel and the Church

a. Galatians 6:16 poses the most serious challenge, but that has been addressed above.

2. NT Affirms a Future for Israel

a. Matthew nor Luke never sees the Church as the "new Israel." This is almost always read back into the verses we mentioned above.

3. New Covenant for both Israel and the Church

a. When looking at Romans 11:27, it quotes Jeremiah 31:34. As Murray puts it, "There should be no question but [sic] Paul regards these Old Testament passages as applicable to the restoration of Israel." (p. 227).

VII. Conclusion

From this study, I believe that NS is much closer to the Biblical witness. I'm not saying there are no problems or that S is a weak argument, but I can confidently say NS is far closer to what the Scriptures say. S seem to depend a lot on having to interpret certain verses (ie Galatians 6:16) in certain ways, when there are often other alternative (and in my estimation) better interpretations.

Also, the OT verses that state that Israel and the gentiles will all worship God, take a very strange meaning if all believers are considered Israel - for who would the gentiles then be?

Zephaniah 3:20"At that time I will bring you in,
Even at the time when I gather you together;
Indeed, I will give you renown and praise
Among all the peoples of the earth,
When I restore your fortunes before your eyes,"
Says the LORD.

Isaiah 2:3 Many peoples will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths."
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Micah 4:2 Many nations will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths."
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
3 He will judge between many peoples
and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.


There are many other verses like these, that support NS.

I would like to end with a final quote from Dr. Vlach's paper:
"Because of the many complex issues involved with this issue and the significant number of theologians on both sides of the debate, we suggest that caution and humility permeate all discussions about superssesionism." (p. 175)

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Vlach, Michael. “The Church as a Replacement of Israel: An Analysis of Supersessionism.” Ph.D. dissertation, Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, 2004.

All Bible quotes from the NASB via www.biblegateway.com

10 comments:

Charlie J. Ray said...

I think there are greater issues than just supercession of the OT nation of Israel by the church or Israel of God (Galatians 6:16). How one understands the OT is much more crucial. Were the OT saints saved by believing in Christ or were they saved by good works? I heard a sincere dispensationalist say this morning that in the OT the Hebrews were saved by keeping the law of God and he quoted Ezekiel 18:27 to support that view.

While I admire John MacArthur and Erwin Lutzer, for the most part I have to reject dispensationalists. The 39 Articles speaks to this issue briefly:

Article VI: http://members.tripod.com/~gavvie/39articles/art1.html#6

And Article VII: http://members.tripod.com/~gavvie/39articles/art1.html#7

Article VII
Of the Old Testament
The Old Testament is not contrary to the New; for both in the Old and New Testament everlasting life is offered to mankind by Christ, who is the only Mediator between God and man, being both God and man. Wherefore they are not to be heard which feign that the old fathers did look only for transitory promises. Although the law given from God by Moses, as touching ceremonies and rites, do not bind Christian men, nor the civil precepts thereof ought of necessity to be received in any commonwealth; yet, notwithstanding, no Christian man whatsoever is free from the obedience of the commandments which are called moral.

Sincerely in Christ,

Charlie

The Predestined Blog said...

@ Charlie J. Ray,

Thank you for your collegiality on this topic that raises so much hot blood! I don't think it should be that way, right? B/c I have so much respect for Covenant Theologians.

I actually agree w/ you that reading of the OT is the most important issue, but I still HIGHLY recommend this essay on supersessionsim. Besides, I also believe how you feel on the Church and Israel issue will basically determine your OT hermeneutic and vice versa. A quicker read would be in "Continuity and Discontinuity" edited by John Feinberg and going to the hermeneutic essays.

BTW, I love your blog!

The Predestined Blog said...

Let me also note that I disagree w/ any dispensationlist who says that the Jewish people were saved by keeping the laws. I think much of the verbiage of dispensationlist confuses ourselves, let alone others (!), and esp. the wording in the CI Scofield days.

Many dispensationlists vehemently deny such claims and agree with what you say. Where disp and Cov Theos differ is on the substance of faith. We both believe that Christ's death is the basis and foundation for salvation in all eras, but b/c the OT ppl did not know of Christ, they were saved via faith alone in whatever revealed content that God had given them.

This is best summarized in this article by John Feinberg here:

www.theologicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/salvation-ot_feinberg.pdf

Nurseman3802 said...

I personally feel so overwhelmed by all of this. While I've been a Christian for years, I have only recently come into the knowledge of Dispensationalism, and Covenant Theology. All while trying to understand Bible prophecy in light of our current position in history. This led me to Daniels 70 Weeks which in turn led me to whether the 7th week applies to literal Israel or "spiritual" Israel. I am almost to the point of despair. I mean how do I deal with the scripture that "he who is a jew is one inwardly", and yet believe that God made a unilateral and irrevocable promise to Abraham concerning his people and the land of Israel? Why would Christ mention "the time of the Gentiles being fulfilled" if there weren't 2 groups, namely the church, and Israel. I have a burning desire to know the truth. My heart is literally hurting in my chest at what seems so confusing. If any one can offer any other reading material, I would be eternally grateful.

The Predestined Blog said...

Dear Nurseman,

I understand your confusion and I can say the best resource has been Dr. Vlach's dissertation.

Let me just answer some of the questions you brought up. Paul addresses the issue of who is a true Jew in Romans 2:28-29 and Romans 9:6. These verses DO NOT say that ANYONE who is inwardly believes in God is a true Jew. NO NO NO. On the contrary, Paul is contrasting ethnic Jewish people who do not believe in God and Christ vs ethnic Jews who do believe in God. Paul says by simply being a biological Jew you are not a true Jew, you have to be one on the inside too. So these verses have nothing to do with identifying gentiles who are "true jews."

Secondly, let's talk about the 70 weeks of Daniel that appear in ch 9. You can see from the verses that the book is written to physical Israel and that rest of the weeks are about physical Israel, why would all of a sudden the 70th week be about spiritual Israel? The fact of the matter is the author's intent and audience is to physical Israel.

Finally, we can see how this all then fits together with God's promises to Abraham. God promised physical Israel all these things and will give it back to them, when you ask? You already gave the answer (rather Jesus did) when the time of the gentiles is fulfilled.

More resources can be found here:

www.theologicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/salvation-ot_feinberg.pdf

http://www.tms.edu/JournalIssue2002.aspx
(scroll down to Vol 13, number 2)

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg2166.htm

and of course

http://thepredestinedblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/primer-on-eschatology-dispensationalism.html

JPKoons said...

There is something I believe must be understood about most scholars (I'm about to make somebody upset).

When a student goes to school he learns what his teacher teaches him. What the teacher teaches his student is what his teacher taught him. What we end up with is generations of parrots only being able to say what the generation before them have taught them.

The truth concerning Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism is not found in most Bible Schools and Seminaries. Why? Because the truth of God's word is not found in man's understanding, but rather in the understanding recieved by studying God's Word and letting the Holy Spirit do the teaching.

Illustration:

Covenant Theologists stand at one end of the spectrum in total opposition to the Dispensationalists. The Dispensationalists stand at the other end of the spectrum in total opposition to the Covenant Theologists. Why? Because that is what their teacher taught them at Bible School!

I went to Bible school, then I began to study on my own.

Through prayer and study of the Word of God, and reading the Bible from cover to cover over and over again, God the Holy Spirit will teach you that He is not limited to the teachings of men!

The truth is that salvation has always been by grace through faith, from Genesis to Revelation. The truth is that God has clearly given covenants throughout His Word. The truth is there are clear divisions in the Word where God would give more revelation to man, and with that additional revelation would come additional responsibility. This is the true essence of Dispensationalism. God has not "written off" Israel, the Church is not a "plan B", the 'church' has been God's plan (from before the foundation of the world) to provoke Israel to jealousy.

Get your King James Bible, study it, and ask God the Holy Spirit to open His Word to you, and then give Him the glory!

In Christ,

JPKoons

Anders Branderud said...

Regarding "grafted in":

I want to comment on that.
A logical analysis (found in www.netzarim.co.il (Netzarim.co.il is the website of the only legitimate Netzarim-group)) (including the logical implications of the research by Ben-Gurion Univ. Prof. of Linguistics Elisha Qimron of Dead Sea Scroll 4Q MMT) of all extant source documents of “the gospel of Matthew” and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical.

The origins of the “Noakhide laws” are the Netzarim Jews. It was the beit din ha-Netzarim that decided about these. But those mitzwot wereonly a starting point not the end. The end point was non-selectively Torah-observance. Read more in the “Benei Noakh”-section in the “History Museum” in the above Netzarim-website.

Thos whom believed that Ribi Yehoshua was the Mashiakh, and whom wanted to be grafted in to Israel was in the first century required to first practise some of the basic mitzwot (outlined in the above section I referred to), then come before the beit din ha-Netzarim and obligate themselves to do their utmost to learn and to keep all of the mitzwot for geirim (see “Glossaries” in the website I referred to) non-selectively; and the beit din ha-Netzarim would grant the title geir toshav. This was and still is the Halakhah established by the beit-din ha-Netzarim.

Regards,
Anders Branderud

PhoebeH said...

Re: OT Jews being saved by keeping the law. WHERE do you Dispy-haters get this stuff?

In the 1967 preface to the New Scofield Reference Bible (p.vii) the following note is given:

"As a further aid to comprehending the divine economy of the ages, a recognition of the dispensations is of highest value, so long as it is clearly understood that throughout all the Scriptures there is only one basis of salvation."

Charles Ryrie, in his excellent book, Dispensationalism, has a whole chapter which answers this false charge (see Chapter 6-"Salvation in Dispensationalism").

Yet in spite of these clarifications, many who are opposed to dispensationalism continue to insist that dispensationalists teach different ways of salvation. Salvation has always been by grace through faith based on the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ted said...

Please excuse my naivety, as I am not a 'student' of the Bible, per se, but is not any covenant a two way street? The reference here is in relation to any who would argue that the Covenant between God and Israel is still valid. The 'If you will walk in my ways..' clause having never been fulfilled, renders all obligations God may have had to Israel unenforceable due to failure to meet the terms

The Predestined Blog said...

@Ted

You definitely are a student of the Bible if you are asking this stuff. Remember, there are multiple Biblical covenants (Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic, Levitical, Davidic, and the New covenant) and stipulations to a treaty do not have to be two ways. If you see the covenants mentioned, the only one that is "two way" is the Mosaic. You are right that Israel violated their terms and received the curse, but that did not nullify the other covenants. Also, if you read Deut, Moses anticipates the failure of the Israelites to keep the covenant. In chapter 30 God says that after he scatters them "3 the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you." God had it all planned out, even their failure, return, and restoration. So right now God cannot give them the Mosaic covenant blessings, but He does state it eventually will happen when they meet the terms of the covenant in the future. Hope that helps.